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than I should.
22 Button raises, you have K2s in BB
Fold 50%, Call 30%, 3-bet 20%
23 Button raises and you have K8s in BB
Call or 3-bet
24 1 limper and you have 78o in SB
Call
25 1 limper and you have 72s in SB
Fold
samdash: (to Nate tha' Great)
1 limper and you have 78o in SB, call
Really?
Nate tha' Great:
Sure, unless the BB is very aggressive. It's an okay hand and I can play well postflop.
Schneids: (to samdash)
Easy call. Especially against people that overplay their hands and go too far with them.
stripsqueez:
i dont want to answer 25 questions - i think guido already knows the answer to 23 of
them anyway
i do want to comment on a couple of answers - completing the SB (assuming its a 1:2
blind structure) with 87o after 1 limper is too loose - if the other guys are horrible then i
could probably complete with 72o and it wouldnt be too bad, but as a default plan i dont
like it
3 betting an UTG raise from the SB with 88 or 77 seems a pushy business to me -
someone show me 100+ hands from pokertracker where this plan has been adopted
with say 66-88 and its + and i will recant
stripsqueez - chickenhawk
Vehn: (to stripsqueez)
I agree 100%
Schneids:
Quote:
i do want to comment on a couple of answers - completing the SB (assuming its a
1:2 blind structure) with 87o after 1 limper is too loose - if the other guys are
horrible then i could probably complete with 72o and it wouldnt be too bad, but as
a default plan i dont like it
Tightie??
Quote:
3 betting an UTG raise from the SB with 88 or 77 seems a pushy business to me -
someone show me 100+ hands from pokertracker where this plan has been adopted
with say 66-88 and its + and i will recant
I tend to agree with this statement, though I'm curious if there is any 'easy' way to have
Pokertracker help me research this further? Or is the only way to do such a thing by going to the
position tab, clicking on SB, then looking through the HH of each occurence and calculatinig by
hand the times you have 88, etc, against an UTG raise?
I ask because glancing, I see I have raised 88 66% of the time from my SB. I'm curious if there's
a more exact way to examine when I'm raising versus completing versus folding.
samdash:
Mixed responses on the 78o in SB scenario - I don't think this matters either way - if
you play better than your opponents go ahead and get in there if you want to. Looks like
it can show a small amount of profit according to some people's PT results. Now about 3
betting the small pairs out of the small blind... this might not be the best idea against
the tighter opponents. But Against some of the more aggressive players that will raise
any 2 big cards I think its important to take control and try to force them into a mistake
on the flop (folding when they miss but still have 6 outs). EX They raise with KQ and
you take it away on an A high flop. If you just call and then bet out it looks a little fishy,
plus you're probably better off eliminating the big blind from the hand. I could even see
pushing an opponent off of a pocket pair a couple ranks higher (3 bet with 77 against
what is actually 99 then lead out on A K X flop - pretty rare this will happen but perhaps
a small added benefit of the play). Do you think these reasons make it correct against
the right players?
Schneids:
65o: 181 times, 51.38VPIP, -.16BB/hand
75o: 183 times, 0.55VPIP, -.25BB/hand
76o: 181 times, 53.04VPIP, -.21BB/hand
86o: 161 times, 36.02VPIP, -.24BB/hand
87o: 173 times, 52.6VPIP, -.28BB/hand
96o: 179 times, 25.14VPIP, -.23BB/hand
97o: 193 times, 43.52VPIP, +.09BBB/hand
98o: 168 times, 57.14VPIP, -.18BB/hand
T6o: 164 times, 18.29VPIP, -.11BB/hand
T7o: 150 times, 37.33VPIP, -.27BB/hand
T8o: 201 times, 50.25VPIP, -.19BB/hand
T9o: 180 times, 63.33VPIP, +.11BB/hand
Alright, so in that group of hands, there are only two where to this point in time it'd
have been better to fold every single time rather than play with them.
Considering this whole group of hands shows a trend of doing better than -.25BB/hand,
I think for me and for my game anyway, it is better for me to selectively complete and
play these hands. These numbers show my bottom line has improved when in
comparison to folding and remaining at 0 EV with them, therefore I stand behind my
statements that these types of hands are 'typically' playable for a complete in the SB,
specifically in the 10/20 6-max anyway.
Guido:
Well I don't think I'm a bad player in a full ring game but I want to get a feeling about
the differences between 6-max and a full ring game. In a full ring game I almost always
raise 99 and sometimes 88. But how far down should you go with this in a 6-max game.
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